Whats the Best House to Claim in Morrowind

Between these v great houses, not counting business firm dagoth, For this thread, the red yr, oblivion crunch never happened.

House Dres
House Hlaalu
House Indroil
House Redoran
House Telvanni

When they were all at full ability, which great house..
ane. Has the most troops?
2. Has the best infantry?
3. has the most terrority?
4. Has the best town/city defence force?

And if they were to get to state of war with each other during their primes, which house would come up out on top? if no other faction interferes?

» Wednesday May 02, 2012 9:08 pm

From what I understand and from what I tin guess: Hlaalu is probably the nearly powerful (very progressive, open to the remainder of the Empire), I wouldn't exist surprised if Dres has been nearly dissolved following the Red Twelvemonth and the Argonian's subsequent vengeance, I don't think Telvanni is completely gone but it must be pretty weakened if the story of Brand-Shei's father is truthful, if I retrieve correctly, Redoran was already on the style out during the events of Morrowind (the opposite of Hlaalu, very traditional), and I do non know very much about House Indoril. As for the other, specific questions, I don't retrieve anyone tin can answer that with anything remotely shut to accuracy.

Though I don't think whatsoever of them are specially "powerful" at the moment, merely at that place must exist some rumblings in Morrowind, and the surviving Dunmer of the sometime Houses are probably coalescing again.

» Wed May 02, 2012 2:43 pm

i wonder if annihilation is left of them at all since the red yr with all thats happened?

» Wed May 02, 2012 ten:58 am

Redoran is the warrior house, only Hlaalu has deep pockets and isn't agape to ask Daddy Uriel for help. Business firm Indoril lays claim to the insanely elite Her Hands, but Telvanni Magisters are some of the nearly powerful mages on Nirn. Not much is known about Dres other than the fact that they're the pre-Civil War Southward.

» Wednesday May 02, 2012 8:12 pm

It's funny that none of your specific questions would be answered "Telvanni" but the over-all reply to your question probably is "Telvanni." Who was it that stared into the open maw of hell and saw an opportunity to steal its teeth? Telvanni.

» Wed May 02, 2012 7:l am

Telvanni is the near powerful I'd say since magic is the real ability in TES.

» Wed May 02, 2012 9:31 am

See, the Telvanni may be individually powerful, merely they're unwilling or unable to leverage that personal power into political or economical power. They simply couldn't care less about the earth around them, each other, or anything but their ain fascination with the arcane. So, while your individual Telvanni Lord may well be capable of, say, summoning hordes of Daedra or surpassing the boundaries of life and death itself, every bit a House they're not equally powerful equally Hlaalu or Indoril. Add together in the fact that they barely communicate with each other except when attempting some assassination or other and you lot have less a cohesive organization and more than a disparate collection of semifeudal mage-lords who each rule their fiefs independently and as they see fit.

I suppose you lot could contend that if the Telvanni actually bothered to look beyond their own noses they'd be a terrifying strength to be reckoned with, but the power to look across one's own nose is not a widely-held virtue among the Telvanni, Aryon being a rare exception.

» Wed May 02, 2012 6:05 pm

Gotta become with Alpharius. Hlaalu are the political guys, and politics win wars.

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:33 pm

Going to besides get with Alpharius, save for the Indoril role. Ever since Vivec signed the treaty with Tiber Septim, Indoril has been in some bad decline, due to the top contumely of the house committing mass suicide.

Subsequently Hlaalu, I'd say Telvanni, followed by Dres, and then Redoran, with Indoril as the weakest. There'southward even dialog in OB that Indoril is zip more a carcass, with Helseth picking away at it.

» Midweek May 02, 2012 1:37 pm

Eh. Given that Morrowind is a theocracy, and how tightly interwoven Indoril is with the Tribunal Temple, I'm inclined to grant them more power than they'd otherwise have. They control a relatively central and prosperous department of Morrowind, to boot, and are adequately cohesive as an organization despite the mass suicide of the leadership three centuries ago. They've been in a steep turn down with the ascendency of the Empire, only my view is that, where the Temple is strong, they're strong. I think that Redoran is weakest, given how poor their leadership is and their lands are, and how unwilling they are to acclimatize to change despite sharing a border with the Empire.

» Wed May 02, 2012 4:19 pm

Yeah, only the Tribunal practically fell by Oblivion, House Indoril is even more than hardcoe than Redoran, and as mentioned already, Helseth was picking away at what became the carcass of Indoril.

» Wednesday May 02, 2012 2:30 pm

I suppose I should have mentioned that the time period I was referencing was during the events of Morrowind itself, rather than immediately afterwards, given that the OP specified the events of the Oblivion Crisis and Ruddy Year never happen. Afterward? No question, Indoril is one of the weakest houses, but but past virtue of being nonexistent, along with the residuum of Dunmeri society.

» Wed May 02, 2012 7:57 am

They were each the most powerful at diverse times.

EDIT:
i. Has the nearly troops?
Indoril as a great house commanded all the other Houses under Nerevar, so at their prime they would have had the most soldiers. However, this was in the First Era so pupulation must have been smaller (admitting only slightly; nosotros are talking nearly elves)

2. Has the best infantry?

In Terms of the best "special forces", Indoril t its prime wins again.
In the middle of these answers, Telvanni has stiff ground soldiers who just never would cooperate together.
Nevertheless, the one with the best-trained ground soldiers overall is definitely Redoran.

3. has the most terrority?

Historically, Dres controlled large swathes of Northern Argonia. Withal, as seen in http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/1000/maps/map_mw_factions.jpg, Hlaalu controlled a LOT when they were raided.

4. Has the best town/urban center defense?
Indoril. Almalexia is the second nearly impenetrable city in Morrowind, bested only past the Auto Metropolis of Sotha Sil (which, firm Sotha having gone extinct, has no fidelity) and Almalexia is followed Necrom, which is owned solidly by Indoril.

» Midweek May 02, 2012 1:33 pm

I suppose I should accept mentioned that the time menstruation I was referencing was during the events of Morrowind itself, rather than immediately afterwards, given that the OP specified the events of the Oblivion Crisis and Red Yr never happen. Afterwards? No question, Indoril is i of the weakest houses, but just by virtue of being nonexistent, forth with the rest of Dunmeri guild.

I took it to hateful subsequently Tribunal, merely earlier Oblivion. Still doesn't change my stance.

» Wednesday May 02, 2012 8:09 am

See, the Telvanni may be individually powerful, but they're unwilling or unable to leverage that personal power into political or economical power. They just couldn't care less nearly the globe around them, each other, or anything but their ain fascination with the arcane. So, while your individual Telvanni Lord may well be capable of, say, summoning hordes of Daedra or surpassing the boundaries of life and death itself, every bit a Firm they're non every bit powerful as Hlaalu or Indoril. Add in the fact that they barely communicate with each other except when attempting some assassination or other and you take less a cohesive organization and more a disparate drove of semifeudal mage-lords who each rule their fiefs independently and as they see fit. I suppose you could argue that if the Telvanni actually bothered to look beyond their own noses they'd exist a terrifying force to be reckoned with, but the power to expect beyond one'due south own nose is not a widely-held virtue amongst the Telvanni, Aryon being a rare exception.

I think you're disruptive the bug of which business firm exercises the most power, and which house has the most power. When it comes to things like influence over imperial agents, or control of mineral resource, Telvanni has that covered. Iirc, Aryon has a glove that lets you lot cast a powerful charm spell which volition boss damn almost whatsoever NPC in the standard game. Well-nigh other magisters take at least the capacity to cast such things every bit spells. Telvanni doesn't bother fighting political or territorial battles because they don't demand to control a man or a patch of land in order to get whatever they want from it. They need to get a certain human to act a certain way? They moving ridge their hands and have that man mind-copntrolled. They need a certain resource in a certain area? They tin fly, bound over mountains, walk on h2o, teleport, and become invisible.

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:58 pm

Like Hlaalu couldn't buy that service from Mages guild. Or outsiders, like Imperial officials, wouldn't know what Telvanni can practise to them? Telvanni basically are one-trick-ponies with their magics. Hlaalu has all-time relations outside, they take their way with corruption, which with Imperial officials is a adept matter. Plus about half of Telvanni leaders seemed nearly lunatic and competent only in magical issues. And Telvanni infact did get involved in territorial feuds in TES3. So even when Telvanni has strongpoints they take few weaknesses as well.

Military powers, we know so petty. It seems every faction has just guards. Buoyant Armigers seemed to exist only strength which involved into actual fighting, Redoran were they? Do houses have militia forces, how well information technology's armed and trained? I don't have no idea.

In TES3 i think Hlaalu infact seemed more than powerful that what it actually was, one large matter was their Ebony mine which, if i call back correctly, they thought to exist simply active ebony mine and which improved their relations with imperials quite a deal... But Redorans had their ain (secret?) Ebonymine in base of Blood-red Mountain and i think it was just getting started, i visited it few times and welcoming was pretty hostile (was in that location any quest related to it?). So Redoran might become of import trade partner with Imperials as well, but is that fifty-fifty their program?

» Midweek May 02, 2012 xi:06 pm

Telvanni has Fyr.

Fyr could prolly beat all the other houses at once with one paw tied behind his back.

» Wed May 02, 2012 ii:07 pm

I think; at the height of the Tribunal Temple (earlier Empire) House Indoril - Redoran - Dres

Imperial Morrowind; Hlaalu - Indoril - Redoran - Dres - (Dagoth?)

Mail service-Oblivion Crisis/Empire - Hlaalu

Telvanni don't compete instutionally, except for the "younger" generations. When the Telvanni practice set their listen towards a thing, they most often acheive it.

I'd also say that any expert Telvanni would sneer at their incusion in any of these kind of "listings."

» Midweek May 02, 2012 10:17 am

Telvanni has Fyr.

Fyr could prolly beat all the other houses at one time with 1 hand tied behind his back.

really mr fyr isn't interested in being function of the firm, he'due south been offered a rather high position numerous times merely he's more interested in his own enquiry than politics

we even get to evangelize him 1 such offer ourselves in morrowind, if y'all join the telvanni house

» Wed May 02, 2012 eight:11 am

actually mr fyr isn't interested in being role of the business firm, he's been offered a rather loftier position numerous times simply he'southward more interested in his ain research than politics

we fifty-fifty get to deliver him one such offer ourselves in morrowind, if you lot bring together the telvanni house

Yes, thats true.
Only with the defeat of (the avatar of) Mannimarco and the dissapearance of Vivec, Divayth Fyr is probably the most powerful existence on Tamriel, that nosotros know of.
Potentially powerful enough to defeat all the other houses.

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:52 pm

Yes, thats true.
But with the defeat of (the avatar of) Mannimarco and the dissapearance of Vivec, Divayth Fyr is probably the well-nigh powerful being on Tamriel, that nosotros know of.
Potentially powerful enough to defeat all the other houses.

I remember Fry should be stronger than the avatar of Mannimarco but weaker than Vivec himself. As well i don't think he could crush all the houses at once, he could probably destroy a few big raids on his own, simply non a army.

» Wed May 02, 2012 6:32 pm

Fyr had lived for millenia, created life through non-sixual means several times, and subverted the blueprint affliction. I get the impression that he's supposed to be godly powerful.

Similar Hlaalu couldn't buy that service from Mages social club. Or outsiders, like Imperial officials, wouldn't know what Telvanni tin do to them?

No. The Morrowind mages guild doesn't even brainstorm to compare with the ability of the centuries-old magisters of Firm Telvanni, and all throughout Morrowind, you're constantly beingness hitting over the head with how mysterious the Telvanni are, all reclusive in their towers and whatnot. Considering they don't flex their muscles, because they don't waste matter their efforts trying to build upwards temporal influence, nobody really knows what they're capable of.

» Wednesday May 02, 2012 viii:xiv pm

I only noticed that we all failed to address the specific question brought upwards past the OP, and failed to notice a specific prerequisite he set: that each of the Houses is assumed to be in its prime number. The question was, if they were to each state of war with one another barring outside interference at the maximum extent of their influence, who would be victorious?

To my listen, this is a much more than straightforward question than the tricky semantic waters of power possessed versus ability wielded, permit lonely how i defines ability. To my heed, information technology basically boils down to Telvanni versus Indoril, Hlaalu and Dres not being known for their martial characters and Redoran being unable to compare with either Telvanni or Indoril at their heights. I daren't wager which of the two would win in a slugfest, but at this point it's all getting pretty airheaded.

» Midweek May 02, 2012 5:35 pm

Total on war, with no politics involved, I gotta go with Telvanni. Backside money and politics, comes magic.

» Wednesday May 02, 2012 10:22 am

I but noticed that we all failed to accost the specific question brought up by the OP, and failed to notice a specific prerequisite he set: that each of the Houses is assumed to be in its prime number. The question was, if they were to each war with one another barring exterior interference at the maximum extent of their influence, who would exist victorious?

To my mind, this is a much more than straightforward question than the catchy semantic waters of power possessed versus ability wielded, let alone how ane defines ability. To my mind, information technology basically boils down to Telvanni versus Indoril, Hlaalu and Dres not beingness known for their martial characters and Redoran existence unable to compare with either Telvanni or Indoril at their heights. I daren't wager which of the two would win in a slugfest, simply at this signal it's all getting pretty giddy.

At their meridian, Indoril would thrash Telvanni.

They've got a f**king god on their side. Almalexia.

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